>From: (B2431)
>
>
>And what is the link to military aviation?
>Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Well, the Marines have been killing Sadr's guys in that "Valley of Peace"
graveyard with helicopter gunships (military aviation). According to the
Marines, they've killed about 400 of them so far, and captured about an
additional 1200.

The two stupid kids mentioned in the article are more then likely to end up
dead, or, if they get back to England, they can be tried for treason since
Sadr's insurgents have also been active against British soldiers in the Basra
area and have killed at least one in this current round of violence.

I am not sure exactly what has become of Europe, but apparently large numbers
of Muslims there feel absolutely no need of alliegence to their adopted
homelands. I am sure that large groups of European natives will begin
forcefully agitating for all Muslims to leave for their homelands should a
major terror attack occur.
Dave

Denyav wrote:
>
> >Being British is a state of mind and nationality (i.e. passport
> >rights), it has bugger all to do with race.
>
> I guess Welshmen and Scotchmen would disagree with you,as far as I know they
> consider themselves English but not British and they all use the same passport.

Yer gonna get spanked for this. The Welsh and Scots will allow that
they're British, they are from the island of Great Britain, but
"English" is likely the last thing they would want to be called.
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"Denyav" > wrote in message
...
> >Being British is a state of mind and nationality (i.e. passport
> >rights), it has bugger all to do with race.
>
> I guess Welshmen and Scotchmen would disagree with you,as far as I know
they
> consider themselves English but not British and they all use the same
passport.

As always you are completely wrong

Welshmen, Scotsmen and Englishmen are all British
carrying a passport that describes them as citizens
of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern
Ireland.

Keith

On 12 Aug 2004 03:15:49 GMT, (Denyav) wrote:

>>Being British is a state of mind and nationality (i.e. passport
>>rights), it has bugger all to do with race.
>
>I guess Welshmen and Scotchmen would disagree with you,as far as I know they
>consider themselves English but not British ...

Absolutely the wrong way round.

Gavin Bailey

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"Peter Kemp" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:50:18 +0100, "Keith Willshaw"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >"The Enlightenment" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> >> I'm afraid if you are "English" you are far more of a thoroughbred than
> >you
> >> care to admit admit.
> >>
> >
> >Nonsense. I know my ancestry rather well and its a right old mix.
>
> My mother is a pure bred Dane (for the last thousand years anyway),
> one of my Grandmothers was Irish, my 'English' father's family name is
> from the Norse, and I'm *still* more British than the Queen ;-D
>
> Being British is a state of mind and nationality (i.e. passport
> rights), it has bugger all to do with race.

Which is why a bunch of Arabs with British passports, accents and education
is in Iraq trying to kill British & American servicemen. They clearly don't
identify with their European let alone British heritage. They have a
religion adopted to the mores and environment of the middle east. Perhaps
they feel the affinity of their blood brothers and religion is the delusion.
perhaps not. Clearly we know where their loyalties lie.

I passionatly hate the people the people that got us into this war: the
Perls, Wolfawitz's, Bushes, Bliar's Krauthamers and the rest of the sorry
lying untrustworthy bunch and I feel for the Iraqi people but I would hate
even more those that would attack their own kind.

>
> The UK is firmly multicultural, and I'm happy for it to stay that way.

That's what Quisling said about Norway.

You should write into the Ministry of education and say that your child (I
suspect you don't have any) won't be needing their university place:
affirmitive action for evermore people of color is more important. (we have
that now in the UK as well as the USA ) You should also write to the NHS
and Aged care to say that they can downgrade the care for your retied infirm
parents: the money is best used for HIV refugees.

Someone is being hurt and someone is paying for your values.

People like you enjoy the slight social status boost that comes with
conforming with political correctness or find it confortable to go with the
flow and not hold difficult opinions but you never appreciate that you are
disenfranchising a Briton or American whose marks are high enough or whose
social predicament is tragic but whose skin is too white.

You never think you have any personal cost. Its charity for free.

>
> "Enlightenment" is talking out of his Arse again.

Point out any specific substantive error or lie I told. Otherwish hold your
arse shut.

>
> Peter Kemp

>Welshmen, Scotsmen and Englishmen are all British
>carrying a passport that describes them as citizens
>of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern
>Ireland.

Thanks,the other way around of course.

>The Welsh and Scots will allow that
>they're British, they are from the island of Great Britain, but
>"English" is likely the last thing they would want to be called.

LOL

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:14:29 GMT, "The Enlightenment"
> wrote:

>"Peter Kemp" > wrote in message
...
>> The UK is firmly multicultural, and I'm happy for it to stay that way.
>
>That's what Quisling said about Norway.

Really? Quote please.

>You should write into the Ministry of education

No such thing - you mean the Department for Education and Skills I
suspect.

>and say that your child (I
>suspect you don't have any) won't be needing their university place:
>affirmitive action for evermore people of color is more important. (we have
>that now in the UK as well as the USA )

I don't have a child true, and we *do not* have Affirmitive Action in
the UK. That would be illegal. The closest we get is that some
government agencies (such as the Police) tend to advertise posts more
in areas with an ethnic majority lacking in the force. Once they reach
interview however it is the best person for the post.

Having just been through an intrviewing course for a HMG department I
know of what I speak.

>You should also write to the NHS
>and Aged care to say that they can downgrade the care for your retied infirm
>parents: the money is best used for HIV refugees.

Why? My parents are neither infirm nor retired, and have worked hard
to get their private pensions and health care. And why would I want to
give it up for HIV refugees? I was talking about those who come to the
UK to better themselves, like the West indians and South Asians who
arrived in the 50s and have done very well for themselves, and for us.

If you want to go off on an anti immigrant rant, feel free, but don't
expect to drag me down with you.

>People like you enjoy the slight social status boost that comes with
>conforming with political correctness or find it confortable to go with the
>flow and not hold difficult opinions but you never appreciate that you are
>disenfranchising a Briton or American whose marks are high enough or whose
>social predicament is tragic but whose skin is too white.
>You never think you have any personal cost. Its charity for free.
>
>>
>> "Enlightenment" is talking out of his Arse again.
>
>Point out any specific substantive error or lie I told. Otherwish hold your
>arse shut.

See above, you're projecting your beliefs onto me....in error.

Peter Kemp

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:43:20 -0400, Peter Kemp > wrote:
>>You should also write to the NHS
>>and Aged care to say that they can downgrade the care for your retied infirm
>>parents: the money is best used for HIV refugees.
>
>Why? My parents are neither infirm nor retired, and have worked hard
>to get their private pensions and health care. And why would I want to
>give it up for HIV refugees? I was talking about those who come to the
>UK to better themselves, like the West indians and South Asians who
>arrived in the 50s and have done very well for themselves, and for us.
>
>If you want to go off on an anti immigrant rant, feel free, but don't
>expect to drag me down with you.

"Enlightenment"'s rant is quite amusing when you consider the high
proportion of NHS workers who are immigrants.


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On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 20:12:46 +0100, (phil hunt) wrote:

>On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:43:20 -0400, Peter Kemp > wrote:

>
>"Enlightenment"'s rant is quite amusing when you consider the high
>proportion of NHS workers who are immigrants.

It's also most amusing considering he is married to one.


greg

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On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 21:11:16 +0100, Greg Hennessy > wrote:
>On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 20:12:46 +0100, (phil hunt) wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:43:20 -0400, Peter Kemp > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Enlightenment"'s rant is quite amusing when you consider the high
>>proportion of NHS workers who are immigrants.
>
>It's also most amusing considering he is married to one.

An immigrant or an NHS worker?

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On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 01:16:18 +0100, (phil hunt) wrote:


>>>"Enlightenment"'s rant is quite amusing when you consider the high
>>>proportion of NHS workers who are immigrants.
>>
>>It's also most amusing considering he is married to one.
>
>An immigrant or an NHS worker?

The former.


greg

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